deSade wrote:Quote:SGW provided a link to results on their web page and the choice was made to *not* provide a link from the NCNCA web page

They did? Who sent it, where did they send it, and when? The webmaster received no such link or request to link to the results hosted on SGW's website.

deSade

I sent the results for both Land Park and Zamora to Casey. Last year our results got messed up, and Casey ended up redoing them himself. So this year I wanted to make sure that Casey saw that he wasn't going to have do the same thing, at least as far as SGW's races were concerned. So I sent ther results directly to him. With the Land Park results, there was a link to an ncnca hosted page up on the calendar page literally within minutes of sending the email to Casey. At the same time, we posted the results on our web page. I did the same thing with the Zamora results, but it took a while before the results were posted to an ncnca page and the link appeared on the calendar page.

As far as the "Wente" system goes, I'm aware of it, and I've considered it. I've decided against trying it because of the time of year we run our race. Our chance of bad weather is much higher, and we don't have all those nice paved areas to set up on at Land Park. I don't want to have to rely on a generator powered laptop and printer (the generator is already powering the PA system and the finish line camera and officials laptop) on a folding table under a pop-up tent in a driving rainstorm like we had last year. So we are going to stay old school for the time being...

Quote:Steve Woo wrote:
January 30, sent an email to the webmaster link on the NCNCA road page.

OK, I'll ask again, what exactly did you send? Apparently it's something that isn't or wasn't on the calendar but your continued vague and unspecific accusations make it hard determine.

The overwhelming majority of calendar update requests are proccessed in less than 1 day.

deSade

January 30, sent an email to the webmaster link on the NCNCA road page.
Sent one in February/March to the email via the webmaster link on the NCNCA MTB page.

The obvious solution is that we change the calendar to a forum so we will get one day service. :)

Quote:Steve Woo wrote:
I sent an emails with links to a race that never got listed on the road

Ok Steve, I'll ask again, what did you send, who did you send iit to, and when?

deSade

If the webmaster is overworked my suggestion would be that responsibility and workload should be distributed over a larger set of workers.

I sent an emails with links to a race that never got listed on the road side and one for updates and new races for MTB a month ago that only got partly updated just recently. I suppose if someone wants to have supreme editorial control over what appears in the race listings then timeliness will have to suffer.

I have plenty of experience with volunteer positions, if that's what you are asking, and whatever I get paid for other things to do with cycling, it's not much compared to what most of us get paid for our non cycling work.

Quote:The mountain bike page stays out of date for so long it's not reliable...
The road bike page is a little better but that's only because the schedule is created way early in the year so poor maintenance is not so obvious.

Are you volunteering Steve? If so, FYI, webmasters, unlike officials, are volunteer positions.

I suppose it is all too easy to blame webmasters when the calendars are not up to date, but, there's really no way to do it when promoters don't provide the information. If the promoter doesn't send announcements or results how excatly are the webmasters supposed to keep track?

deSade

Quote:SGW provided a link to results on their web page and the choice was made to *not* provide a link from the NCNCA web page

They did? Who sent it, where did they send it, and when? The webmaster received no such link or request to link to the results hosted on SGW's website.

deSade

That's not the point.

SGW provided a link to results on their web page and the choice was made to *not* provide a link from the NCNCA web page to the SGW page, even though this is done in many other instances for other races. Several of the NCNCA links to results from past races directly to the NCNCA web page are dead ends so it's not as if the NCNCA web page has a good history in this regard.

The mountain bike page stays out of date for so long it's not reliable.

The road bike page is a little better but that's only because the schedule is created way early in the year so poor maintenance is not so obvious.

Quote: I don't know why there isn't a link on the ncnca.org site to the results.

Most likely because results were not sent to webmaster@ncnca.org by the promoter.

What the webmaster did receive is a spreadsheet which A) has to be converted into HTML.
This takes some time and so does not typically get posted right away. FrontPage and other
HTML programs also need to be converted into a more compatible HTML, delaying their
posting to the ncnca.org website.

For an example of how to do results right see the VSRT's results from Wente, very clean
and compatible HTML which made it to the calendar within minutes.

deSade

Tripp,

I believe what we do for Pescadero RR is have a person type all of the names, number and team name into a spreadsheet (1 worksheet for each race) during the time the race is going on. You can start as soon as registration closes. By the time the race is done, you will have all of the racers in the spreadsheet. You can then enter the top 10 (we try to do as many as possible) from the result sheets and post a printed copy. Of course, this is easier to do for a RR than a crit....and it requires that you have access to AC power, which may be an issue at remote sites.

James

JoeRacer wrote:Do you have to type in all the results, Name, Team, Age, etc... or are you doing it against the USCF DB with only typing in the License #?

Curious to see how it is done. Hopefully the second way. More accurate and a lot less work!

Uh, I wish. No, the first way. Actually, pre-reg'd riders are already in a spreadsheet, and I can just cut and paste. The hardest part isn't really the data entry so much as it is figuring out who is number 913, because we hand out numbers in order that people show up to reg. So if you show up 13th, then you get 913. You might be 47th on my start sheet, but you got 913. Next to you might be a guy who got 938, and a guy who got 987. Doing it this way allows us to make reg go quickly, because our workers aren't trying to dig out number 947 to give to the guy who shows up 15th to reg but was th 47th guy to get his pre-reg in. Flip side is that it makes results a pain.

There are probably better solutions, but we currently aren't using them.

And I'm sorry for the delay. My laptop got confiscated for a while and its loss sort of broke my momentum. I don't know why there isn't a link on the ncnca.org site to the results.

Tripp Goldsberry

They're up. :D
http://sacgw.com/

Tripp wrote:Bariani results will probably be up by the weekend. I'm having to do them after work. I've finished Land Park and will start on Bariani. The good news is that the large number of pre-registered riders means less typing of day of entries, which takes the most time. So I'll start Bariani tonight, and hopefully I'll be able to do 3 fields a night, finishing by Thursday or Friday.

Any idea when the remaining Zamora fields will be posted? The results page on the web says they'll be up by April 7th.

Tripp -- Thanks so much for all the hard work. Sounds like a lot to do, particularly after work. Thanks again, Josh

Do you have to type in all the results, Name, Team, Age, etc... or are you doing it against the USCF DB with only typing in the License #?

Curious to see how it is done. Hopefully the second way. More accurate and a lot less work!

Bariani results will probably be up by the weekend. I'm having to do them after work. I've finished Land Park and will start on Bariani. The good news is that the large number of pre-registered riders means less typing of day of entries, which takes the most time. So I'll start Bariani tonight, and hopefully I'll be able to do 3 fields a night, finishing by Thursday or Friday.

We might post partial results to our website on Wed. or Thu., and then get the results for all 9 fields up this weekend.

Tripp Goldsberry
SGW President