From the CBR "rules"...

"O. BOARD of
DIRECTORS,
TERM LIMITS
The Executive Director and the Technical
Director are indefinite positions & can
only be replaced with their expressed
consent. There can be three additional
positions: the 1st Board of Director, the
2nd board of Director, and the 3rd Board
of Director, making five executive
positions in total. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
Board of Directors shall serve an initial
term of four years and each Board of
Director position is eligible for renewal."

Daniel Ortega would like this!

http://www.californiabicycleracing.org/CBR.Rules.Regulations.pdf

George,

Why are you supporting CBR?

Cheers,
Bill

I remember that when NCNCA left FIAC at the end of 2002, the stipulation from USAC was that NCNCA categories would be honored when riders applied for their USCF licenses in 2003. Had that not been the case, IMO, the vote may have gone the other way.

To clarify, are you stating that ONLY points earned in USAC races will count for upgrades?

George,

You are mistaken. USAC does treat every organization with a reciprocity agreement the same as those without a reciprocity agreement in terms of upgrade points. Reciprocity is only relative to recognition of each organization's categories. It has nothing to do with upgrade points.

When it comes to upgrade points USAC is very consistent as they are enforcing the same rule for NCNCA upgrades.

I am still asking why are YOU so strong in support of CBR?

Cheers,
Bill

USA Cycling doesn't treat every independent association the same with reference to that rule. Colorado and Oregon points will be accepted: http://www.americancycling.org/sites/default/files/Site_Files/Documents/...

George,

This is not news. The USAC rulebook in 1D1 states clearly:

"Only races permitted by USA Cycling or foreign races permitted by a UCI affiliated National Federation will count for upgrading."

This is not limited to CBR but is related to all non-USAC races. We will be complying with this requirement in relation to upgrades in our district as well.

You seem pretty fascinated with CBR recently, reposting Chris' registration system rant, advertising his events and now questioning USAC's enforcement of its clearly published rules. Why?

Cheers,
Bill

Isn't it silly when 80% of the top ten finishers also have an USAC license?

USAC again going against membership wishes. NOT upgrading riders that have more then enough points, hurts all riders. Fight the Fed.
Time to go back away from USAC if they start doing stupid things again...

This is one thing...

So you will only recognize a few points towards an upgrade but not more than a few? It seems that you should recognize all the points since it is a mass start race. I received an email response from you two years ago asking whether an obra race would count towards my cat3 upgrade and you said that a mass start is a mass start. Where is the pressure coming from that is causing this change in the way we deal with obra points? And also what about our friends in the northern reaches of the state (redding) who race both. Does obra recognize NCNCA points towards obra upgrades? For some reason I get the feeling that this is more than just following the letter of the rules.

Fair enough. Thank you for your quick and complete reply.

The reciprocity agreement between USAC and ORBA has nothing to do with accepting OBRA races for upgrade points. The agreement deals with items like ORBA and USAC recognizing each other's upgrades ( ie if a rider get a USAC upgrade OBRA will upgrade the rider and if OBRA upgrades a rider the USAC will recognize the upgrade).

The last word posted on the SoCalCycling forum is that SCNCA would look at a rider's full racing history but that at least 80% of a riders upgrade points would have to come through USAC races. So far ( as I remember) the upgrade that have been denied based on OBRA race results have had involved situations where the OBRA points have been a lot more than 20% of the rider's total upgrade points. Also note on the SCNCA web site states that CBR points don't count towards an automatic upgrade. This seems strange to me and it seems either the non USAC points should count full towards upgrades ( if they are going to be accepted at all) including automatic upgrades.

I can see talking into account points earned in a OBRA race if a rider is close to getting their upgrade from USAC races ( ie a rider is short of upgrading by 3 or 4 points and they get those final points from an OBRA race).

casey wrote:As it says in this post http://www.ncncaracing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1689&highlight= Only USAC sanctioned races count for upgrade points. Note that there is no such thing as NCNCA upgrade points. USAC sets the rules re what does and doesn't count for upgrade points.

Casey,

With all due respect, I disagree. When you disagree with USAC documentation you refer to the fact that they are "guidelines" and disregard them. In this case it appears that you agree with USAC and now consider them "rules". This could give the impression of capriciousness.

You do have the discretion to allow the points. SoCal allows upgrade points for CBR races. USAC is in the process of creating a joint agreement that will include OBRA. The real issue is whether the rider in question is a safe and capable racer for the upgrade requested? Isn't that the standard? That is what you preach anyways. In the end you serve us, the racers in NorCal and I believe the majority of us would be in favor of allowing upgrade points from OBRA, CBR, etc as has been done in the past, notwithstanding USAC "guidelines".

The racer in question will get his points in NorCal but why make him race in a lower category? I for one am supportive of a racer that does NOT want to sandbag in the Cat 3's, as I have seen a few of them this season.

Kindest Regards

As it says in this post http://www.ncncaracing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1689&highlight= Only USAC sanctioned races count for upgrade points. Note that there is no such thing as NCNCA upgrade points. USAC sets the rules re what does and doesn't count for upgrade points.