This is better reading than the Leno/Conan wars. Keep it coming.

ZebraMan wrote:velogirl wrote:Jess is not a man

Oh, great. I'm sure this excerpt is going to play well on the Berkeley Bike Club mail server:
NCNCA President and High Priestess of the Velo Girls Questions Zebra's Gender, Demands Genetic Testing

Now now, Jess, you know that the list serve of the Bicycle Club of Berzerkeley is a peaceful retreat from all of the cynicism and argument that goes on on traditional cycling list serves. We spend most of our time thinking up great new product ideas for our sponsors like pachouli-flavored Gu packets (you can really taste the pachouli!) and Capo shorts made with hemp chamois (you can really feel the hemp fiber!). We would never question someone's decisions about gender association.

I see you're not registered for the time trial yet. We do have a co-ed field...just in case you want to, you know, leave your options open.

Slowpoke:

I agree with you and Lorri. It's all in how it is perceived by the reader and when the evaluation is subjective and/or based on personal experience rather than just factual data it can direct a reader to perceive something that might or might not be intended.

Bill listed 6 facts about Rodney's qualifications. Personal experience is irrelevant when dealing with facts. Bill may never have even met or spoken to Rodney, yet those facts remain true.

Ethics and Honor are characteristics that a person displays and another perceives based on their interactions. While my experience with Rodney concurs with John's evaluation, it is still only perception based on interaction and there is always the chance that someone else may not have had the same positive experience.

While John and I share the same opinion of Rodney, it is still only an opinion of character and not necessarily of an indisputable qualification.

When one makes a statement of opinion about a characteristic of an individual, it very well can mean that you perceive the other candidates to not have that characteristic.

Example: Look at a picture of beautiful women while in the company of your wife or girlfriend and then comment to her about how attractive those women are to you.
Anyone care to guess how long it is before you are in hot water?

Measured in milliseconds.

Ron

Well in an effort to up my own post count, I wanted to add that we're pretty lucky here in NCNCA land to have three good candidates in Jess, Rodney and Ron who are willing to step up to the plate and take on the Vice Presidency.

Thanks Guys, and we will all benefit from your enthusiasm and interest in this sport in the coming year.

Tim B
RB, TB and MC (lapsed Cat 4)

velogirl wrote:your category on the forum has to do with how many posts you've made on the forum. it has nothing to do with your USAC cat.

At least USAC has the good sense to award Cat 1 status based on some measure of quality instead of quantity.

8)

2450MHz wrote:BNicely wrote:1) Experienced promoter (promotes in the hundreds of events each year)
2) Knowledgeable
3) Well-liked and respected
4) Capable organizer/administrator
5) Collegial
6) Passionate
7) Ethical and honorable

JohnG

I didn't read anything personal into these comments other than the compliments intended.

Now i'm going to stick the spoon into pot :twisted:

Ron, why are you taking it personal?

voice recorder is on...pin and notepad in hand waiting for responce. answer will be published at a later date. :|

your category on the forum has to do with how many posts you've made on the forum. it has nothing to do with your USAC cat. I was kinda bummed to lose my cat 2 forum status when I was made a site admin.

ZebraMan wrote:velogirl wrote:Jess is not a man

(By the way, when in the past 48 hours did I get upgraded in my Forum profile to a Cat. 1? Was that a little going-away gift from Michael or just a glitch in the NCNCA server?)

What timing - seems you and Ron both just hit the upgrade to NCNCA Forum Cat 1 with your recent 400th postings. And Jess, you might be "pro" by now if you hadn't posted under all those aliases - or is that aliai?

Whatever, let me be the first NorCal biker geek to congratulate you both on this accomplishment. For sure, Ron & Jess's on-going and consistent involvement in this forum, the Early Birds, race promotion and actually racing A LOT in the region reveals their "Cat 1" engagement in the activities of the NCNCA. Thanks guys!

Xeno
Tri Valley Velo

Steve Woo is the forum administrator, and your "upgrade" has nothing to do with Michael. In fact ALL category 1 road or track upgrades go through USAC, not the local association.

velogirl wrote:Jess is not a man

Oh, great. I'm sure this excerpt is going to play well on the Berkeley Bike Club mail server:
NCNCA President and High Priestess of the Velo Girls Questions Zebra's Gender, Demands Genetic Testing

You don't realize just how totally sunk I am when my old crew get ahold of this one.
Thanks, Lorri. You could just as easily have used Ron or Rodney for the hind end of your truism. (Or was it a syllogism?)

That's it! Now the gloves must come off!!
Oh, pooh. I can't take the gloves off. My opalescent indigo fingernail polish could be used as evidence against me.

(By the way, when in the past 48 hours did I get upgraded in my Forum profile to a Cat. 1? Was that a little going-away gift from Michael or just a glitch in the NCNCA server?)

I wouldn't read anything into it at all. Just because someone compliments one person doesn't mean that by implication they are insulting the other. If I say "Ron is a man" does that mean that I'm implying that "Jess is not a man?" Of course not.

Rather, I think folks were simply posting a list of qualities/qualifications they feel Rodney Cox exhibits.

Careful what seeds you plant on a public forum. A simple comment like that is suggestive that the other candidates are not "ethical and honorable" and that could carry some destructive momentum in to their livelihoods.

Don't make it personal.

Ron

BNicely wrote:1) Experienced promoter (promotes in the hundreds of events each year)
2) Knowledgeable
3) Well-liked and respected
4) Capable organizer/administrator
5) Collegial
6) Passionate
7) Ethical and honorable

JohnG

Yes, this is a membership vote, meaning each NCNCA member club has one vote. If you haven't joined or renewed your NCNCA club membership for 2010 yet, you can do it here:

http://www.sportsbaseonline.com/events/index.xhtml?categoryId=16773

its not going to be an easy decision for clubs to choose between the three candidates that have spoken up. i assume each club will be given one vote?

Bad news for anyone hoping for another knock-down VP election. Ron Castia is a friend of mine, and a man who I have utmost respect and confidence in. He has been extremely active and worked hard for his teams and the betterment of the district. I encouraged him to run for VP in the primary election because I thought he would make a balanced and effective addition to Lorri's Board and I stand by that endorsement now.

I believe that either candidate the voting teams elect, Ron or I, will add a very energetic, devoted and efficacious officer to the Board.

Congrats, NCNCA.

lorrod wrote:It looks like we have at least two people who are interested in the VP position - Jess and Ron Castia. Even I'm interested in the position, but not certain I qualify.

Hmm, let's review.

1) Experienced promoter (promotes in the hundreds of events each year)
2) Knowledgeable
3) Well-liked and respected
4) Capable organizer/administrator
5) Collegial
6) Passionate

Yeah, Rodney, I am not sure of your qualifications either. Are you kidding? So you're humble on top of all that? You would make a great VP.

It looks like we have at least two people who are interested in the VP position - Jess and Ron Castia. Even I'm interested in the position, but not certain I qualify.

I'm a bit more optimistic about this whole thing concerning the NCNCA - I like what I've seen thus far with the new Board and President. And I'm anxious to see what changes/improvements are made during the coming year. Casey held the Presidency for a long time - and did a great job....it's a thankless job, but he did it year in and year out. And although I'm disappointed that Michael has to leave his VP position, I'm looking forward to new ideas and leadership that this Board can bring us.

So, with that, let's just move forward - one pedal stroke at a time.

Rodney Cox
Chico, CA

The Vice President is an elected position. We've had two candidates indicate interest at this point. Robert Leibold, NCNCA Secretary, will be posting an official call for candidates on the NCNCA forum and the NCNCA yahoogroup soon.

Lorri

election vs appointment?
you have a willing person now.
anyone else interested in the position?

mike camarena
yokohl ranch/SBW/SSC

Michael Hernandez submitted his resignation as VP of the NCNCA on January 16th, citing personal reasons which had nothing to do with his duties as VP. We will announce details on a special election to fill this position shortly.

Lorri

Jess-

Thanks for sharing this update. I would agree that moving quick to fill this position is in the best interest of all clubs/members.

-Regards,

Todd Manley
SJBC President